Welcome to the Thunderdome

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In the spirit of keeping a little bit of Wade's old place alive, a few members have asked, so here it is.

Welcome to the Battle Zone!

First order of business: Fakes, "bad" sellers and buyers.

It's taken up a bit more of my time than I'd like, but it seems some of you have had some bad experiences with buyers, with sellers and spotting or calling out fakes.

I don't know what people expect me to do in these situations, because I can't be held responsible for how people choose to use this site.

Selling fake cigars is a big no-no, but it's also a tough thing to prove due to fakes being so high quality these days. I'm not handling each and every box that comes through here like Christie's auction house. There is literally nothing in it for me to get between every transaction.

FOH has a great thread on Cuban Factory Codes that you can check out and ask questions to a larger community (28k+ people currently).

Now, if someone is knowingly or provably selling fakes, I'd be happy to admonish them and say "Don't do it again" or even ban such a member if it's a repeated offense, but how can we prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a box or the cigars within are not authentic? The faker would need to provide a ton of pictures and evidence incriminating themselves, leading to their own demise, so we'd literally need the faker to work against themselves to prove they are at fault.

Now, imagine another scenario. Something is posted, bought and shipped, but it's a box of sand or worse the cigars are fake, or even worse: The cigars are real but completely fucked up from bad packaging and shipping.

I can't be pulled into every little skirmish that happens here. You guys need work all this shit out for yourselves. There is the Feedback forum in the marketplace, there is the user rep button (little star under everyone's name) and now this forum. Go at it, figure it out.

Using myself as an example, you can see I have 11 positive ratings on my profile. If you make a trade or purchase from someone, take the extra two minutes to leave them a simple, short & sweet positive rating. What you're doing is encouraging good behavior and helping someone build their historical good reputation.

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If you think someone is selling fakes, steer clear. Feel free to call them out in private, in public, in a plane, on a train, I don't give a fuck.

If a buyer backs out of the deal, tells you they think you stink, looks at you funny, ghosts you or doesn't pay up: Move on to the next.

By being here, you're choosing to participate in a community that is unfortunately home to some bad actors. The best thing we can do is build up our reputations to foster a history of trust within this commune. Proceed accordingly.
 
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By being here, you're choosing to participate in a community that is unfortunately home to some bad actors.
VERY well said, and I fully understand and agree with all. I do think that this one statement about "unfortunately home to some bad actors" is something what we do not necessarily have to tolerate and just live with. After all, this is YOUR private site, and something that many of us have come to consider a bit of a second home to share our hobby and passion with other honest, trustworthy and like-minded individuals. I like to think that Tism.fun is a cut above all the rest, and that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the other online options out there.

With that being said, everyone that is a member here got here by either specifically asking for an invite, or were referred here by a friend/fellow brother of the leaf. If/when anyone becomes a "bad actor", I respectfully submit that the person that referred them be somehow notified of their referral's bad actions and that they do whatever they can to reel him in and keep him in check. This is why we place trust in referrals, because we know and trust the person referring them. The person who referred the bad actor is not financially responsible for bad deals of course, but some level of responsibility should fall on them in my opinion to at least try to influence the bad actor that they referred to right his wrongs and do the right thing, or he can respectfully exit stage left and give up his membership or it may be revoked.

Let's all do our best to hold and maintain this lovely space to a higher level than everywhere else! I see no reason why we cannot do this if we all band together to keep this a nice, pleasant space that we all enjoy.
 
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VERY well said, and I fully understand and agree with all. I do think that this one statement about "unfortunately home to some bad actors" is something what we do not necessarily have to tolerate and just live with. After all, this is YOUR private site, and something that many of us have come to consider a bit of a second home to share our hobby and passion with other honest, trustworthy and like-minded individuals. I like to think that Tism.fun is a cut above all the rest, and that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the other online options out there.
It's up to all of us to hold this place to a higher standard. It's not something I can do all by myself when the site is free but also when fakes are so good these days, some people can't even tell the difference. It's a battle that will never be fully won. It's up to each of us to remain vigilant.
With that being said, everyone that is a member here got here by either specifically asking for an invite, or were referred here by a friend/fellow brother of the leaf. If/when anyone becomes a "bad actor", I respectfully submit that the person that referred them be somehow notified of their referral's bad actions and that they do whatever they can to reel him in and keep him in check. This is why we place trust in referrals, because we know and trust the person referring them. The person who referred the bad actor is not financially responsible for bad deals of course, but some level of responsibility should fall on them in my opinion to at least try to influence the bad actor that they referred to right his wrongs and do the right thing, or he can respectfully exit stage left and give up his membership or it may be revoked.
People have come from all over: Our discord, OLH, FoH, Instagram, the FB groups. It's not as hard to get in as you think. If I see a valid email address and username that doesn't look bot generated, you're allowed in. Now, getting the "Verified" status is a little harder, but it's not always based on referrals.
Let's all do our best to hold and maintain this lovely space to a higher level than everywhere else! I see no reason why we cannot do this if we all band together to keep this a nice, pleasant space that we all enjoy.
Yes, we must. It's up to all of us to self-police.

Now, let's take the case of the Lusi's as a relevant example. There have been other cases of suspected fakes, but this is the most recent one.

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This user is Verified because they're most likely a real person. This user has 0!! Zero! Nil, zilch feedback at all.

The signature is also worth pointing out. OLH history was restored, but is everyone supposed to crawl through the old site and look up every post? Same goes for "CF" which I assume is "Cigar Family", which I've never been on, but again -- These external reputation systems are not public or open.

When you come here, you're starting from 0 and you must build up your trading / selling reputation from the ground up.

Everyone freaking out over this guy's Lusi's could easily look right below the name, see nada feedback score, add up any weird things about the boxes and just choose to steer clear. Of course they're more than welcome to post a drive-by comment and say "Font looks off, factory code doesn't line up, etc." or whatever they want to pick out a few odd details.

Now, is some form of punishment in order? In my opinion, at the moment: No. Did someone refer this guy? Do they deserve to be called out or should we go after them? Short answer: No. I have no idea if someone referred this guy or not and I don't really care.

We don't know if the cigars are indeed fake, we don't know if this user is knowingly selling fakes. There is nothing to be done here besides not buying the box and possibly making mention of a few odd details about the box.
 
It's up to all of us to hold this place to a higher standard. It's not something I can do all by myself when the site is free but also when fakes are so good these days, some people can't even tell the difference. It's a battle that will never be fully won. It's up to each of us to remain vigilant.

People have come from all over: Our discord, OLH, FoH, Instagram, the FB groups. It's not as hard to get in as you think. If I see a valid email address and username that doesn't look bot generated, you're allowed in. Now, getting the "Verified" status is a little harder, but it's not always based on referrals.

Yes, we must. It's up to all of us to self-police.

Now, let's take the case of the Lusi's as a relevant example. There have been other cases of suspected fakes, but this is the most recent one.

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This user is Verified because they're most likely a real person. This user has 0!! Zero! Nil, zilch feedback at all.

The signature is also worth pointing out. OLH history was restored, but is everyone supposed to crawl through the old site and look up every post? Same goes for "CF" which I assume is "Cigar Family", which I've never been on, but again -- These external reputation systems are not public or open.

When you come here, you're starting from 0 and you must build up your trading / selling reputation from the ground up.

Everyone freaking out over this guy's Lusi's could easily look right below the name, see nada feedback score, add up any weird things about the boxes and just choose to steer clear. Of course they're more than welcome to post a drive-by comment and say "Font looks off, factory code doesn't line up, etc." or whatever they want to pick out a few odd details.

Now, is some form of punishment in order? In my opinion, at the moment: No. Did someone refer this guy? Do they deserve to be called out or should we go after them? Short answer: No. I have no idea if someone referred this guy or not and I don't really care.

We don't know if the cigars are indeed fake, we don't know if this user is knowingly selling fakes. There is nothing to be done here besides not buying the box and possibly making mention of a few odd details about the box.
Looks like he kept TheFez's deposit. @TheFez can you confirm?